RESEARCH / Focused target
Hiai's spectral geometric Log-Euclidean comparison fails
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Problem
The question
Fumio Hiai, Log-majorizations between quasi-geometric type means for matrices, Linear Algebra Appl. 735 (2026), 123–174; arXiv:2510.04691v3.
§2, equation (2.3), verbatim:
Fα(A, B) := (A^{−1}#B)^α A(A^{−1}#B)^α.
§2, equation (2.4), verbatim:
SGα,p(A, B) := Fα(A^p, B^p)^{1/p}.
§2, Log-Euclidean and weighted geometric mean definitions, verbatim:
LEα(A, B) := exp((1 − α) log A + α log B)
A#αB := A^{1/2}(A^{−1/2}BA^{−1/2})^α A^{1/2}
Here # = #_{1/2}.
Problem 3.20, verbatim:
Problem 3.20. The case remaining open is whether SGα,p ≺log LEα for α > 1. Note that this is affirmative if SGα,p ≺log SGα,q if α > 1 and p ≥ q (see Problem 3.12).
The summary table after Problem 3.20 has row “SGα,p ≺log LEα”, with entries “none” for 0 < α < 1 and “?” for α > 1.
Motivation
Our foothold
The small-power limit of the spectral geometric mean is the Log-Euclidean mean. An upper log-majorization bound would connect the finite-power comparison to that limit.
Gap
Missing bridges
The open case quantifies over every α > 1, p > 0 and positive definite matrix pair. A two-dimensional pair violating the singleton eigenvalue inequality refutes it. Preregistration: issue #16129.
Route
Proposed approach
Take $m=2$, $\alpha=2$, $p=1$, and
$$ A=\operatorname{diag}(1,2^{20}),\qquad B=\frac1{125}\begin{pmatrix}272&504\504&1853\end{pmatrix} =U\operatorname{diag}(1,16)U^{\mathsf T},\qquad U=\frac1{25}\begin{pmatrix}24&7\-7&24\end{pmatrix}. $$
Both matrices are positive definite. Put $T=77761424/5$ and $H=B+4096A^{-1}$. For $X=A^{1/2}BA^{1/2}$,
$$ \det X=2^{24},\qquad (X+4096I)^2=T X,\qquad X^{1/2}=\frac{X+4096I}{\sqrt T}. $$
Positivity identifies the square root uniquely. Thus $L=A^{-1}#B=H/\sqrt T$ and $LAL=B$. Consequently,
$$ SG_{2,1}(A,B)=L^2AL^2=LBL=\frac{HBH}{T},\qquad SG_{2,1}(A,B)_{00}=\frac{286558676}{121502225}>2. $$
On the Log-Euclidean side,
$$ -\log A+2\log B=(\log2)N,\qquad N=\frac1{625}\begin{pmatrix}392&1344\1344&-7892\end{pmatrix}. $$
The factorization
$$ I-N= \begin{pmatrix}1&0\-1344/233&1\end{pmatrix} \operatorname{diag}(233/625,285/233) \begin{pmatrix}1&-1344/233\0&1\end{pmatrix} $$
proves $N\le I$. Therefore every eigenvalue of $LE_2(A,B)$ is at most $\exp(\log2)=2$. A Hermitian matrix whose eigenvalues are all at most 2 is bounded above by $2I$, so the displayed diagonal entry forces an eigenvalue of $SG_{2,1}(A,B)$ greater than 2. The singleton case of log-majorization fails; no determinant computation is needed.
Falsifier
What would falsify this route
The largest eigenvalue of $SG_{2,1}(A,B)$ exceeds 2, whereas every eigenvalue of $LE_2(A,B)$ is at most 2. The asserted product inequality already fails for one eigenvalue, irrespective of the determinant equality clause.
Evidence
Evidence to collect
D5/S3/Quantum/Matrix/SpectralGeometricLogEuclideanRefutation.lean fixes mpow, wgm, specMean, SG, LE,
LogMajorized, and claim, and exposes result : ¬ claim. All witness data and
proof helpers are private. The proof uses the continuous functional calculus,
positive definite inputs, the genuine inverse of A, the positive square-root
certificate and spectral bounds. Parameter-family reasoning below is not separately formalized.
Triage
Scope assessment
What the settlement shows
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Proved (Lean) — the open case fails. The α = 2, p = 1 pair above satisfies both positive definiteness hypotheses and refutes the open case of Problem 3.20.
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Reasoning (exact mathematics, not separately formalized) — every p > 0 at α = 2. For positive definite matrices and r > 0, $X\prec_{\log}Y$ if and only if $X^r\prec_{\log}Y^r$: ordered eigenvalue products and determinant equality are both preserved and reflected by the positive scalar power. For any p > 0, take $(A^{1/p},B^{1/p})$. Then $SG_{2,p}(A^{1/p},B^{1/p})=SG_{2,1}(A,B)^{1/p}$ and $LE_2(A^{1/p},B^{1/p})=LE_2(A,B)^{1/p}$, so the comparison fails.
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Reasoning (exact mathematics, not separately formalized) — every α > 1. Fix α > 1, let b = $e^{2\alpha}$, x = 1/b, and put
$$ A_t=\operatorname{diag}(1,t^2),\qquad U_x=\begin{pmatrix}\sqrt{1-x}&\sqrt x\-\sqrt x&\sqrt{1-x}\end{pmatrix},\qquad B=U_x\operatorname{diag}(1,b)U_x^{\mathsf T}. $$
Write u = 2 − 1/b, w = b − 1 + 1/b, and $v=(b-1)\sqrt{x(1-x)}$, so $B=\begin{pmatrix}u&v\v&w\end{pmatrix}$ and $\det B=b$. With $L_t=A_t^{-1}#B$, the two-dimensional square-root formula gives
$$ L_t=\frac1{\sqrt{u+t^2w+2t\sqrt b}} \begin{pmatrix}u+t\sqrt b&v\v&w+\sqrt b/t\end{pmatrix} \longrightarrow\operatorname{diag}(\sqrt{b/w},0) \quad(t\to\infty). $$ The exact identity $F_\alpha=L_t^{\alpha-1}B L_t^{\alpha-1}$ follows from $L_tA_tL_t=B$. Since α − 1 > 0, continuity of positive powers at zero gives
$$ \lambda_{\max}(F_\alpha(A_t,B))\longrightarrow u(b/w)^{\alpha-1}>13/7. $$
Indeed b > $e^2$ > 7, so u > 13/7 and b/w > 1. The upper-left entry of $(1-\alpha)\log A_t+\alpha\log B$ is $\alpha x\log b$; its lower-right entry tends to −∞ and its off-diagonal entry stays fixed. Hence
$$ \lambda_{\max}(LE_\alpha(A_t,B))\longrightarrow \exp(2\alpha^2e^{-2\alpha})<7/5. $$
The exponent has derivative $4\alpha(1-\alpha)e^{-2\alpha}<0$ for α > 1 and is below $2/e^2<2/7$. The exponential series gives $\exp(2/7)<\sum_{k\ge0}(2/7)^k=7/5$; its inequality is strict for k ≥ 2. The separated limits give finite t with a strict singleton violation. The positive-power reduction extends this to every p > 0. Thus the α > 1 cell of the table is “none”.
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Consequences (logical reasoning, not separately formalized) — the sufficient route fails. Using the paper's limit $LE_\alpha=\lim_{q\downarrow0}SG_{\alpha,q}$, a comparison $SG_{\alpha,p}\prec_{\log}SG_{\alpha,q}$ for all α > 1 and p ≥ q > 0 would, by continuity of eigenvalues and determinants as q decreases to zero, imply $SG_{\alpha,p}\prec_{\log}LE_\alpha$. The refutation excludes that universal route in Problem 3.20's note. This consequence uses the stated limit from the paper.
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Open — companion questions. The companion questions of Problem 3.12 for α > 1 beyond this consequence remain unresolved here.
ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED
Unverified assumptions
The positive-power reduction, all-α asymptotic family, and consequence using the paper's small-power limit are exact mathematical reasoning, not additional Lean conclusions. The remaining companion questions of Problem 3.12 are open here.