RESEARCH / Focused target
Ghosh–Ramachandran's connected-set Fekete area question
RELEASED FOUNDATIONS / PROPOSED CONNECTION
Research connections
All source anchors (1)
- D5/S3/Analytic/Lemniscates/FeketeLemniscateAreaRefutation.resultAbsent from this graph
Problem
The question
S. Ghosh and K. Ramachandran, A note on the Erdős minimal area problem, arXiv:2604.03036v3, immediately after Proposition 3.6:
While the above proposition proves that Fekete polynomials are not area minimizers in general, it would be of interest to know if they are minimzers when the set $K$ is connected. We leave this as an open question.
In Section 1, $P_n(K)$ consists of monic degree-$n$ polynomials whose zeros all lie in the compact set $K\subseteq\mathbb C$. Write $\Lambda_p={z:|p(z)|<1}$ and $A_n(K)=\inf_{p\in P_n(K)}m(\Lambda_p)$, with $m$ planar Lebesgue measure. A Fekete tuple $a=(a_1,\ldots,a_n)$ maximizes $\prod_{i<j}|a_i-a_j|$ on $K^n$, and defines $F_a(z)=\prod_i(z-a_i)$.
The Lean claim says that for every compact connected $K$, every
$n\geq1$, every Fekete tuple $a$ in $K$, and every $p\in P_n(K)$,
$m(\Lambda_{F_a})\leq m(\Lambda_p)$. Thus result : ¬ claim refutes
exact area minimization in the stated connected-set setting.
Motivation
Our foothold
Theorem 3.1 gives logarithmic-scale asymptotic optimality for
$\operatorname{cap}(K)>1$. Exact minimization is a stronger assertion.
The declaration
D5/S3/Analytic/Lemniscates/FeketeLemniscateAreaRefutation.result
exhibits a connected compact interval where a degree-four competitor
has strictly smaller unit-lemniscate area than a Fekete polynomial.
Gap
Missing bridges
The source leaves the connected case as an open question; the paper's
Proposition 3.6 uses the disconnected set $2\overline{\mathbb D}\cup{a}$.
No later answer was found: arXiv:2606.17097 (sharp order in Erdős's
minimum-area problem) does not mention Fekete polynomials or this
question; keyword searches of the arXiv listings, the web,
conjectures.io and Formal Conjectures return no entry for it. The
source note is Library/Geometry/ghosh2026erdos.md.
Route
Proposed approach
Take $K=[-20,20]$ embedded in $\mathbb C$, and $n=4$. For every $R>0$, the tuple $(-R,-u,u,R)$ with $u>0$ and $5u^2=R^2$ is Fekete on $[-R,R]$. Its maximal Vandermonde product is
$$ 4Ru(R^2-u^2)^2=\frac{64R^6}{25\sqrt5}. $$
At $R=20$, this gives $u=\sqrt{80}$ and $F(z)=(z^2-400)(z^2-80)$. Use the competitor $G(z)=(z^2-400)(z^2-100)$, whose roots are $\pm20,\pm10$.
| Certificate | Centres | Radius at each centre | | --- | --- | --- | | Disjoint discs inside $\Lambda_F$ | $\pm20$ | $97/1250000$ | | Disjoint discs inside $\Lambda_F$ | $\pm\sqrt{80}$ | $217/1250000$ | | Discs covering $\Lambda_G$ | $\pm20$ | $53/625000$ | | Discs covering $\Lambda_G$ | $\pm10$ | $849/5000000$ |
The inner certificate uses $r_k\prod_{j\ne k}(|a_k-a_j|+r_k)<1$. The outer certificate uses the general three-regime cover lemma with $e=1/10$ and $t=5$. Summing disc areas gives the exact rational bounds
$$ m(\Lambda_F)\geq\pi\frac{7231744}{10^{14}} =\pi,7.231744\cdot10^{-8}
\pi,7.204616\cdot10^{-8} =\pi\frac{7204616}{10^{14}}\geq m(\Lambda_G). $$
Falsifier
What would falsify this route
The strict area comparison on this single connected compact interval falsifies the universal minimization claim. The competitor is monic, has degree four, and has all roots in $K$. The proof also certifies the Fekete property, the inner-disc disjointness, and the outer cover; these conditions are required for the area comparison to address the source question.
Evidence
Evidence to collect
The committed Lean module defines vandermonde, IsFeketeTuple, InP,
lemniscateArea and claim. Its public theorems are
isFeketeTuple_interval_four, ball_subset_lemniscate,
lemniscate_subset_balls and result : ¬ claim.
The exact rational disc bounds, compactness, connectedness and admissible
competitor establish the contradiction. The accepted axiom closure is
${\mathrm{propext},\mathrm{Classical.choice},\mathrm{Quot.sound}}$;
there is no sorry or additional axiom.
The supplied numerical calculation uses mpmath radial integration and
gives $m(\Lambda_F)\approx2.30097118\cdot10^{-7}$ and
$m(\Lambda_G)\approx2.18166157\cdot10^{-7}$. These are computed values,
not the rational certificate used by Lean; no certified numerical error
bound is supplied.
Triage
Scope assessment
What the settlement shows
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Proved (Lean) — general mechanisms.
ball_subset_lemniscateputs a disc inside the unit lemniscate of an arbitrary finite root family under its product bound.lemniscate_subset_ballscovers the lemniscate of a nonempty root family under separation and three distance-regime bounds.isFeketeTuple_interval_fourproves that $(-R,-R/\sqrt5,R/\sqrt5,R)$ is Fekete for every $R>0$. This theorem exhibits maximizers; it does not classify all maximizers. -
Computed — numerical areas.
mpmathradial integration gives $m(\Lambda_F)\approx2.30097118\cdot10^{-7}$ and $m(\Lambda_G)\approx2.18166157\cdot10^{-7}$. The strict comparison inresultrelies on the rational disc certificate, independently of these numerical approximations. -
Open here — small-level asymptotics and scaling. For a polynomial with simple zeros $a_i$, the proposed relation is
$$ \frac{m{z:|p(z)|<t}}{\pi t^2} \longrightarrow\sum_i|p'(a_i)|^{-2}\qquad(t\downarrow0). $$
Computed — derivative sums. For $f(z)=(z^2-1)(z^2-1/5)$ and $g(z)=(z^2-1)(z^2-1/4)$, $S(f)=75/16>40/9=S(g)$, where $S(p)=\sum_i|p'(a_i)|^{-2}$. Open here (heuristic) — interval family. With $F_R(z)=R^4f(z/R)$ and $G_R(z)=R^4g(z/R)$, the level is $R^{-4}$ and the area scaling factor is $R^2$. The proposed asymptotic relation would imply that every sufficiently large $R$ gives a degree-four counterexample on $[-R,R]$. Neither the limiting relation nor this uniform eventual statement is proved here.
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Open (heuristic) — every even degree. A proposed extension to every even $n\geq4$ is based on incompatibility of the unweighted Fekete balance equations with the weighted stationarity equations of $\sum_i|p'(a_i)|^{-2}$. Such incompatibility and a corresponding family of finite certificates remain unproved here.
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Proved — exact optimality fails for connected sets. The counterexample prevents upgrading the paper's Theorem 3.1 logarithmic asymptotic conclusion to universal exact optimality, even when $K$ is connected. Proved (paper, Theorem 3.1) — the logarithmic conclusion survives. Theorem 3.1 for $\operatorname{cap}(K)>1$ is not contradicted by this finite example. Open (heuristic) — local explanation. The derivative sums suggest a local obstruction at the zeros rather than a topological one; the Lean certificate proves that disconnectedness of $K$ is not necessary, without proving the derivative-weight asymptotic mechanism.
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Open — neighbouring exact-minimization questions. Are Fekete polynomials exact minimizers for connected $K$ with $\operatorname{cap}(K)\leq1$, or for the closed unit disc? Does the answer change when the level $t$ is required to make ${z:|p(z)|<t}$ connected? The present unit-level interval counterexample settles none of these restrictions.
ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED
Unverified assumptions
The forward-citation list of arXiv:2604.03036 was not obtained in full, so an answer in a citing paper outside the searched listings is not excluded. The numerical areas carry no certified error bound. Small-level asymptotics, the eventual large-interval family, the derivative-weight explanation and the extension to every even degree are not proved.