RESEARCH / Focused target
The naive orthostochastic equations are insufficient at order five
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Problem
The question
J. Chen and P. Dey, The 4 × 4 orthostochastic variety, arXiv:2001.10691v1, Experimental Mathematics 32(4) (2023), 692–700, DOI 10.1080/10586458.2021.1982427, Question 5 (cf. Chterental–Đoković, Remark 3.4), asks:
Do the naive equations define the orthostochastic variety inside B_n? In other words, if a doubly stochastic matrix satisfies C_{i,j}, R_{i,j} = 0 for all i < j, must it be orthostochastic?
Section 5 states:
Next, for n = 4, 5 it remains open whether the naive equations cut out the orthostochastic variety inside the Birkhoff polytope set-theoretically.
The order-five clause is Refuted by $B=(4J_5-3I_5)/17$. Preregistration #17606 fixes the source, quantifiers and conventions. The Library note contains the source locators and quotations.
Statement echo
| Source clause | Lean counterpart | Fidelity |
| --- | --- | --- |
| A real orthostochastic matrix is the entrywise square of an orthogonal matrix | IsOrthostochastic quantifies over every real orthogonal matrix and uses RHLinalg.normSqMatrix | For real entries, the squared norm is the square |
| The equivalent sign condition after Definition 4 for $C_{i,j}=0$ | ColumnNaive quantifies over all real signs equal to $1$ or $-1$ and requires the signed radical sum to vanish | A sign on every term is equivalent to fixing the first sign to $1$, by reversing all signs together |
| Row equations are obtained “by transposing indices” | RowNaive exchanges the row and column positions in that sum | No symmetry assumption on the quantified matrix |
| Every pair $i<j$, both $C_{i,j}=0$ and $R_{i,j}=0$ | SatisfiesNaive requires both conditions for every such pair | Zero-based Fin n replaces the source's one-based indices |
| Every doubly stochastic matrix at $n=5$ | claim quantifies over every real five by five matrix in Mathlib's doublyStochastic set | The only restriction is the order-five clause being settled |
| The naive equations imply orthostochasticity | The final implication in claim | No restriction on an orthogonal lift or its signs |
| A negative answer | result proves the literal negation of claim | The witness B has diagonal $1/17$ and off-diagonal $4/17$ |
These are all binders and conjuncts in the public predicates. The concrete witness is additional data used to refute the universal assertion, not an additional hypothesis.
Motivation
Our foothold
Pairwise orthogonality can choose different signs for different pairs. A single orthogonal lift requires all those choices to come from one matrix. The example separates these two requirements using an integer determinant obstruction.
Gap
Missing bridges
The signed radical equations do not characterize orthostochasticity at order five. Chen–Dey's Proposition 6 already provides counterexamples at every order at least six. Their order-four question is not settled here.
The literature screen supplied with #17606 and the independent search input includes the full arXiv v1 source, Chterental–Đoković arXiv:0708.4051, Turek–Cheon arXiv:1104.0408, and accessible text screens of arXiv:1708.09559, 1807.03295, 1804.10715, 1905.07035, 2310.03436 and 1301.2537. No prior order-five answer was located in that scope. These are attributed literature readings; completeness and priority remain ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED.
Route
Proposed approach
Every entry of $B$ is positive and every row and column sums to one. For distinct columns $i,j$, the radical terms are $2/17,2/17,4/17,4/17,4/17$. Put positive signs at $i,j$ and at one other index, and negative signs at the remaining two indices. The sum is zero. Symmetry of $B$ gives the row conditions.
The private lemmas b_doubly_stochastic and b_naive supply the two hypotheses used by result. The row and column sign choices need not be mutually compatible.
Falsifier
What would falsify this route
An orthogonal lift $U$ would give $M=\sqrt{17},U$ with integer entries: $\pm1$ on the diagonal and $\pm2$ elsewhere. Orthogonality gives $MM^{\mathsf T}=17I_5$, hence $(\det M)^2=17^5$. The right-hand side is not an integer square. The private lift_entry_integer, scaled_mul_transpose, seventeen_pow_five_not_square and b_not_orthostochastic implement this contradiction.
Evidence
Evidence to collect
The settling declaration is D5/S3/Quantum/Matrix/ChenDeyNaiveEquationsFive.result in the Lean module. The public surface consists of six definitions and result; all twelve theorem helpers and the two sign-selection definitions are private. The axiom closure of every public declaration is contained in ${\mathrm{propext},\mathrm{Classical.choice},\mathrm{Quot.sound}}$.
The module has admission_basis: open-problem-resolution (#17606; Refuted), generality: I, and certified-instance utility with basis=refutes. Its theorem steps are classified proof_shape: bind-only, with the consumed private helpers listed in the module comment. There is no claim of a separate escape witness.
The public result is the designated refutation result (basis=refutes) and is exempt from four-slot escape registration (CLAUDE.md §3.9).
Experiment
The experiment is docs/reports/chen-dey-2020-orthostochastic-naive-equations-five/ at commit 2840cb18888954b7c04dcf3f3327e4832f0ec6d6. Command: python3 check.py in that directory; exit 0, ALL_OK. The script's SHA-256 is 32f9dd1289589cc8e0720386b843321258465c4b9bdc88556d56b3488c8381fd.
Exact rational arithmetic checks positivity and stochasticity of the order-five witness. The pairwise radical checks at that witness use floating square roots with tolerance $10^{-12}$; the Lean proof independently establishes the exact sign identities. The integer-square test checks that $17^5$ is not a square. Exhaustive sign backtracking finds no lift at $(n,k)=(5,1),(7,1),(7,3)$ and finds a lift at $(5,3),(7,5)$. Those are the complete tested parameter pairs; the experiment supplies no uniform classification.
Triage
Scope assessment
What the settlement shows
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Kernel-checked — arithmetic obstruction.
b_doubly_stochasticandb_naiveestablish the order-five instance's hypotheses.lift_entry_integerandscaled_mul_transposeturn any global lift into the integer determinant contradiction used byb_not_orthostochastic;resultrefutes Question 5 at order five. Local pairwise sign choices exist, but no common lift exists. -
Proved in prose — odd-order constant-ratio family. Assume odd $n\ge3$, diagonal entry $a\ge0$, off-diagonal entry $b>0$, and $a+(n-1)b=1$. Write $t=\sqrt{a/b}$. The pairwise radical equation, divided by $b$, has two terms of size $t$ and $n-2$ terms of size one. Opposite signs on the two $t$ terms leave an odd sum of unit signs, which cannot vanish. Equal signs require $2t=k$ to be an odd integer with $1\le k\le n-2$; every such $k$ is attainable by choosing the unit signs. Thus these and only these parameters satisfy all naive equations. Equivalently,
$$B_{n,k}=\frac{4J_n+(k^2-4)I_n}{k^2+4(n-1)},\qquad k=1,3,\ldots,n-2.$$
If a lift exists, normalize its diagonal signs by multiplying rows by $-1$ as needed and scale it to $X=(k/2)I+S$, where $S$ has zero diagonal and off-diagonal entries $\pm1$. Orthogonality of distinct rows gives
$$\frac{k}{2}(S_{ij}+S_{ji})+\sum_{\ell\ne i,j}S_{i\ell}S_{j\ell}=0.$$
The sum is odd, so $S_{ij}=-S_{ji}$ is impossible. Hence $S$ is symmetric and $S^2+kS=(n-1)I$. Conjugate by a diagonal sign matrix so that the first row of $S$ has all off-diagonal signs positive. On the remaining $n-1$ vertices let $A$ join positive signs. The first-row equations imply that this graph is regular of degree $d=(n-2-k)/2$. For two remaining vertices with adjacency indicator $e$ and $c$ common neighbours, the same matrix identity gives
$$2c=d-(k+2)e.$$
If $k\le n-4$, then $d\ge1$, so an edge exists. Also $d<n-2$, so a nonedge exists. A nonedge forces $d$ even, whereas an edge forces $d-k-2$ even, hence $d$ odd. This contradiction excludes every $k\le n-4$. At $k=n-2$, the orthogonal matrix $I-(2/n)J$ realizes $B_{n,k}$. Consequently every odd $n\ge5$ has $(n-3)/2$ spurious points on this line. The symmetric constant-ratio obstruction is credited to Turek–Cheon, arXiv:1104.0408, Theorem 6.5 and Remark 6.6. This family argument is not formalized in the module.
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Proved in prose using a source result — all orders $n\ge5$. The kernel-checked order-five refutation and Chen–Dey's Proposition 6 for every $n\ge6$ give a negative answer at every order at least five. Proposition 6 is a literature premise, not an imported Lean theorem. No other source theorem is invalidated by refuting the question; the source's established order-at-least-six result remains applicable.
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Open — order four. Whether the naive octics cut out the four by four orthostochastic variety inside the Birkhoff polytope remains outside this settlement.
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Computed — finite experiment. The pinned experiment above checks exactly the order-five witness and the five listed $(n,k)$ pairs, with exit 0 and
ALL_OK. The uniform family statement in item 2 rests on its prose derivation, not on that finite computation. -
Literature reading — bounded screen. The source v1 is reported read in full in the supplied search input. No prior order-five answer was located in the stated screen. The journal versions of record, Seberry–Lam (1982) and Lam (1983) are unread; completeness is
ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED.
ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED
Unverified assumptions
Literature completeness, priority, the journal versions of record, Seberry–Lam (1982), Lam (1983), and a complete later-author/citing-work inventory are unverified. The family proof is prose only. The order-four problem remains open. The refutation does not claim that all orthostochastic matrices, or all spurious naive solutions, have the displayed constant-ratio form.