RESEARCH / Focused target
Aliabadi's finite nonabelian quotient-multiset problem
RELEASED FOUNDATIONS / PROPOSED CONNECTION
Research connections
All source anchors (1)
- D5/S3/FiniteGroups/AliabadiQuotientObstruction.exists_obstructed_multisetAbsent from this graph
Problem
The question
Mohsen Aliabadi, A nonabelian twist on differences of bijections, arXiv:2605.16478v2, Section 7, Problem 7.6, asks:
Does every finite nonabelian group admit a multiset A of cardinality |G| satisfying the abelianization obstruction but not quotient-realizable?
The following paragraph says that a positive answer would characterize finite abelian groups as precisely those finite groups for which the abelianization obstruction is the only obstruction. The official journal article, DOI 10.61091/um128-18, has the same question, global conventions and relevant definitions. The source note is aliabadi2026nonabeliantwist.
For every finite group G with multiplication not commutative, let n=|G| and let pi:G->G/[G,G] be the canonical abelianization map. There exists a multiset A of elements of G, counted with multiplicity, such that |A|=n and the multiplicity-counted product of pi(a) over A is 1, but there are no bijections b,c:{1,...,n}->G for which A is the multiset of b(i)*c(i)^(-1). Repeated identity entries are allowed. No product-one ordering in G, identity-free condition, group-family, solvability or parity restriction is imposed.
Definition 2.1 supplies exactly this two-bijection meaning of quotient realizability. Proposition 2.3 supplies the necessary abelianization condition: the product is taken after projection, with multiplicities, in the abelian group G/[G,G]. It does not assert an unordered product in G.
Motivation
Our foothold
The canonical abelianization condition is necessary for every realizable multiset. The result determines that it is insufficient in every finite nonabelian group, using one uniform construction. It concerns the full literal Problem 7.6, rather than a selected family of groups or the stronger variant requiring a product-one ordering in G.
Gap
Missing bridges
The bounded accepted source reading covers the complete arXiv v2 article and official journal body, including their conventions, Definition 2.1, Lemma 2.2, Proposition 2.3 and the entire problem with its following paragraph. Both sources state the question and do not give this witness. Their permutation and cycle criteria are existing suppliers, not separate resolution units.
The accepted repository search, including private declarations, found no earlier exact named resolution or corresponding theory volume. Searches of pinned Mathlib identified the generic commutator, abelianization and permutation-support suppliers used below. The inspected third-party formal-conjectures snapshot and bounded public literature routes found no explicit earlier full resolution in their searched scope. These are bounded observations, not a certificate of worldwide absence or priority. The preregistration is issue #26316.
Route
Proposed approach
Fix an arbitrary finite nonabelian group G and put n=|G|. A group is
nonempty, so n>0. The equivalence commutator_eq_bot_iff makes [G,G]
nontrivial. The subgroup nontriviality equivalences supply an element
a in [G,G] with a unequal to 1. The exact kernel identity
Abelianization.ker_of gives pi(a)=1.
Take A to contain a once and 1 exactly n-1 times. Its cardinality is 1+(n-1)=n. Every entry maps to 1 under pi, so the multiplicity-counted product of its images equals 1.
Suppose bijections b,c realize A. Regard them as equivalences and put
tau=c inverse composed with b, a permutation of the index set. For each
index i, tau(i) differs from i if and only if b(i)*c(i)^(-1) differs
from 1. Filtering the multiset equality by being different from 1
therefore identifies the number of moved points of tau with the number
of nonidentity entries of A, which is exactly one. The theorem
Equiv.Perm.card_support_ne_one rules this out. Thus no such pair
of actual bijections exists.
The Lean result uses G : Type u, [Group G], [Fintype G] and
hna : ¬ IsMulCommutative G. Every finite group admits such a Fintype
presentation. Its conclusion is an actual Multiset G with
A.card = Fintype.card G, the product of
A.map (Abelianization.of : G → Abelianization G) equal to 1, and
the negation of two Function.Bijective functions on Fin (Fintype.card G)
whose literal right-quotient multiset is A. Adding one identifies Fin n
with {1,...,n}. The equivalence and filter/support transports are proved
inside the theorem; no additional realization premise is assumed.
Every ordering of this A in G has product a, which is unequal to 1. Consequently this construction leaves the stronger product-one-ordering and identity-free variants outside its scope. No additional claim for Problem 7.5, a group instance, or a stronger problem is attached here.
Falsifier
What would falsify this route
A mismatch in any universal quantifier, multiset multiplicity, exact cardinality, canonical projection or literal quotient direction would invalidate identification with the source question. So would an unproved bijection-to-permutation bridge, a nonstandard axiom, a sorry, or a noncurrent theorem identity. A realizing pair for the constructed multiset would contradict the singleton-support obstruction. Restricting to a family of groups or imposing a product-one-ordering premise would not settle this question.
Evidence
Evidence to collect
The single mathematical result is
D5/S3/FiniteGroups/AliabadiQuotientObstruction.exists_obstructed_multiset,
with statement identity
sha256:c2d852f2f46e6523674a3925fcc3a24654f943f5c337faea1070bf972da6e854.
Its canonical membership record is
Golden/Frozen/state/D5/S3/FiniteGroups/AliabadiQuotientObstruction.lean.json.
The owning Scribe and generated Blueprint are in
Blueprint/D5/S3/FiniteGroups/AliabadiQuotientObstruction.
The compiled axiom closure is Classical.choice, Quot.sound, and
propext, with no sorry. The exact source theorem is the mathematical
authority; the dossier and source article are explanatory inputs.
The pinned Mathlib revision is
56a005855ea17e0b0958f73ec801ae140b0a1679. The live proof applies
commutator_eq_bot_iff, Subgroup.nontrivial_iff_ne_bot,
Subgroup.nontrivial_iff_exists_ne_one, Abelianization.ker_of, and
Equiv.Perm.card_support_ne_one. Equiv.ofBijective, Equiv.trans,
Equiv.symm_apply_eq, mul_inv_eq_one, Multiset.filter_map,
Multiset.card_map and the support membership characterization supply
the transports and normalization. These are generic existing results;
no independent new supplier theorem is asserted.
Triage
Scope assessment
The typed OpenProblemResolutionClaim is Proved for the single slug
aliabadi-2605-16478v2-problem-7-6, attached only to the exact theorem
above. Its source is the qualified Library note and its mathematical
scope is the entire literal Problem 7.6.
proof_shape: bind-only; escape_witness: none;
admission_basis: open-problem-resolution, with the preregistration
linked in Gap. There is one authored D5 theorem, zero earning definitions
and zero authored D5 helpers. Compiler-generated proof helpers are
consumed by that theorem. It has no direct frozen D5 public dependencies;
its mathematical suppliers are pinned Mathlib declarations. The named
external resolution is the sole admission unit; no extra wrapper or
companion result is included.
question_answered: the full universal source question above.
dominating_theorem_search: no earlier exact named resolution found in
the bounded repository, pinned Mathlib and stated external scope;
generic suppliers are reused directly. computational_content.kind: none and utility: none: this is a theorem for arbitrary finite groups,
not a bounded enumeration, checker, numerical reduction or certified
fixed instance. The other computational utility fields are
not-applicable(kind=none).
The mirrored Reg declaration is
Reg.D5.S3.FiniteGroups.AliabadiQuotientObstruction.registration.
Its source-equivalence registration is declared_validated, with
source statement identity
3165bd7fb2ebd4375f8faf9d70f8cd1621a267743dc1feb1f0838e8d17db92a1.
It retains the complete source telescope and all conclusion clauses;
the selected readout is multiset cardinality. The typed actual law,
rejected zero-readout variation, sensitivity and nonconstant observation
are compiled evidence. continuation: unknown and familyRecord: none
do not assert undecidability or inexhaustibility. Reg audit declarations
are not additional D5 mathematical results.
ASSUMED-UNVERIFIED
Unverified assumptions
Literature completeness and worldwide priority are not verified. The accepted bounded searches include unavailable cited-paper bodies and rate-limited public routes; they are not promoted to exhaustive negative evidence. Earlier source qualification and independent mathematical assessments remain fallible supplied evidence. No model diversity or sterile prior is certified. The stronger product-one-ordering and identity-free questions are not settled by this result. Independent final assessment, remote required checks, publication and external credit remain outside this local mathematical dossier.